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Genealogy of The Clan Gregor - 90 - Descendants of Gregor Macilchallum in Comrie

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Maolcoluim
b.~1550
pardon 1590
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Gregor Macilchallum in Comrie [6]
b~1570
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Griogar could be William McNiven [8]
b.~1570
listed with Earl of Perth at Tomzarloch in 1612
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Patrick McNiven [7]
b.~1600
d. 20/4/1676 [9]
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Could this be John ? [4]
b.~1650
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Dalclathick, Glen Artney, parish of Comrie

Duncan [13]
b.~1675
m.Mary Campbell
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Beatrix
b. 5/4/1718
m. Duncan Murray c.1749 [11]
Patrick [10]
b.~1680
m.Jannet McLairen
c. 1711
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Christian
b.12/3/1712
Elizabeth
b.12/1/1718
d.inf.
Margaret
b.29/9/1723
Elizabeth
b.4/4/1725
John
b.17/8/1728
Donald
b.~1685
m. Katharine Morison
c.1716
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Patrick
b. 10/2/1717
William
b. 24/8/1718
Malcolm
b. 30/6/1723
John
b.~1690
m.Janet McNiven
c. 1725
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Patrick
b. 6/3/1726
Donald
b. 24/12/1727
Christian
b.7/5/1710
John McNiven
b.~1601
d.1648 [12]
m.Helen Drummond
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Janet
Donald McNiven
b.~1602
d.1677
m.Isobel McGuther
Margaret
b.~1605
d. 25/4/1672 [5]
m. James Mellice
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William Mellice [3]
b ~ 1665


[3] Probable grandchildren of Margaret McNiven - John (14/11/1708) and James (-/9/1710) baptised in Comrie parish to William Mellice and Janet McEwan GROS 341/10/39 & 43

[4] Baptism of Christian 4/5/1710 341/10/43 to John McNiven & Mary McNab, possibly a late child which would give the name of the missing generation after Patrick

[5] Margaret McNiven. TD 25/4/1672
and James Mallice, her spouse, in Over Tillibanocher, parish of Comrie, Dunblane Commissary Court, CC6/5/16

[6] Gregor Macilchallum in Comrie (#68 in 1586 and #23 in 1598 lists)

[7] Possibly #10 in 1649 list with Donald #11 his brother

[8] Possible William McNiven, listed in Earl of Perth's party at Tomzarloch 1612
It is quite possible that William McNiven was an alias for Gregor Mcilchallum MacGregor, born around 1570. The proscription of 1603 banned the forename Gregor as well as the surname MacGregor. Thus Gregor ghlun dubh in Glengyle had to adopt James Graham as an alias,
wheres (for example) Patrick MacGregor could keep his forename and become Patrick Drummond. or Patrick McNiven.
Thus, skipping a generation, Patrick and Donald McNiven listed in 1649 may have been born earlier than 1620. As Patrick's testament dative was recorded in 1676 he may have been born as early as 1600, rather than 1620. However that makes it more likely there was at least one and probably two missing generations to account for the baptisms in Comrie parish from 1710 onwards.

[9] TD registered 20/4/1676 in Dalchlachick, parish of Comrie Dunblane Commissary Court, CC6/5/17
Patrick McNiven in Dalcalachick in the parish of Comrie died January 1674. Given up by Margaret Burdoun his spouse relict and executrix dative Inventary £104-10/- Debts due by him to, Mr. James Drummond of Cultmalundie, David Graham Funeral expenses - £280-13-4 Debts exceed goods. Confirmed 20 April 1676. Donald McNiven in Dalcalachick is witness. Isobel McGuther in common with her husband Donald McNiven in Dalchlathick in the parish of Comrie who died September 1677 Given up by the said Donald her executor Inventary £146-6-8 No debts to the dead Debts by the dead to Earl of Perth, David Graham tutor of Gorthie, Katherin McNeiven, Margaret McNeiven, Donald Bain, Grisal Blair Sum of debts - £85-13-4 Confirmed 27 March 1679 Alexander McNeiven in Dalchlathick is cautioner.

[10] These names taken from Comrie OPR. Baptism record began in 1693, but gaps from 1712 to 1716.
Marriage record 1700 to 1710 then blank until 1747

[11] Married to Duncan Murray in Glencarnaig - see http://glendiscovery.com/gregor-genealogy-78.html

[12] The Testament &c of umquhile John McNevin in Dalcalachick in the parish of Comrie died December 1648. Sum of Inventary £837-13-4. No debts owing to the dead. Debts owing by defunct to, Alexander Burdoune his brogher-in-law, William McNiven his father, Patrick mcNiven his brother, to the Earl of Perth, to the clerk of St Johnstoun Sum of debts £361-13-4. He leaves to Christian Burdoune, £240 to Janet McNiven his lawful daughter procreat betuixt him and Helen Drummond providing that she get the 600 merks that is in the hands of John Campbell then and in that case he ordains 45 merks that is in the hands of John Campbell then and in that case he ordains 45 merks to be taken of the said sum from the said Janet and to be given to Margaret Niven his natural daughter. He leaves to Patrick his brother the whole house with beds &c, to be used by him also the sums of money due by Duncan Burdoune in Cragneith and appoints him executor Confirmed 20 April 1665. Patrick Oig Drummond in Dunblane is cautioner.

[13] Not in OPR which only started in 1693. Inserted here for parentage of Beatrix McNiven

 
McNiven records

I found this Niven genealogical work online. (see link at bottom of page) My genealogy above obviously needs more work, which I will get around to!

The Testament &c of umquhile John McNevin in Dalcalachick in the parish of Comrie died December 1648. Sum of Inventary £837-13-4. No debts owing to the dead. Debts owing by defunct to, Alexander Burdoune his brogher-in-law, William McNiven his father, Patrick mcNiven his brother, to the Earl of Perth, to the clerk of St Johnstoun Sum ob debts £361-13-4. He leaves to Christian Burdoune, £240 to Janet McNiven his lawful daughter procreat betuixt him and Helen Drummond providing that she get the 600 merks that is in the hands of John Campbell then and in that case he ordains 45 merks that is in the hands of John Campbell then and in that case he ordains 45 merks to be taken of the said sum from the said Janet and to be given to Margaret Niven his natural daughter. He leaves to Patrick his brother the whole house with beds &c, to be used by him also the sums of money due by Duncan Burdoune in Cragneith and appoints him executor Confirmed 20 April 1665. Patrick Oig Drummond in Dublane is cautioner.

Patrick McNiven in Dalcalachick in the parish of Comrie died January 1674. Given up by Margaret Burdoun his spouse relict and executrix dative Inventary £104-10/- Debts due by him to, Mr. James Drummond of Cultmalundie, David Graham Funeral expenses - £280-13-4 Debts exceed goods. Confirmed 20 April 1676. Donald McNiven in Dalcalachick is witness. Isobel McGuther in common with her husband Donald McNiven in Dalchlathick in the parish of Comrie who died September 1677 Given up by the said Donald her executor Inventary £146-6-8 No debts to the dead Debts by the dead to Earl of Perth, David Graham tutor of Gorthie, Katherin McNeiven, Margaret McNeiven, Donald Bain, Grisal Blair Sum od debts - £85-13-4 Confirmed 27 March 1679 Alexander McNeiven in Dalchlathick is cautioner.

Duncan McNiven at the Mill of Drummond in the parish of Muthill died in June 1709 Given up by Patrick McNiven in Dalchlathick brother german to the defunct and only Tutor in law to John and Margaret McNivens only lawful children and executors dative as nearest of kin to the defunct Inventary £160-3-4 Debts owing to the dead by James Lord Drummond; the Laird of Orchill, James Drummond late McGregor in Lagan Sum of Debts £772-13-4 Debts owing by the defunct to the Master of the ground for a piece of land called "Andersons Land", to William Sharp in Dalchirlay, Alexander Comrie of servants fees, Malcolm McInnes, Thomas Seche, Patrick McKeisick, Bettie Prestoune, Margaret McLaren and Margaret Neish, all servants, James Whyt in ovir Ardoch, John McRobbie, Andrew Gibson for wright work, to Blair Drummond, John Lawson merchant at Milne of Drummond, William McFarland brewer at Drummond, William Morison at Valeyend of Drummond, and John Miller milne wright Sum of debt - £453-13-8 Donald McNiven in Dalchathick is cautioner Confirmed 1 February 1711.

The Testament of umquhile Donald McNiven sometime in Feadetts thereafter in Down and lately after at miln of Drummond and Jean McNab his spouse in the parish of Muthill Given up by Patrick McNiven in Findoglen and John McNiven in Blemoar executors Inventary £28-4/- James Moir, writer in Dunblane is cautioner Confirmed 3 Sept 1723

The Testament of umquhile William McNiven in Dalclathick, parish of Comry who died January 1729 Given up by Donald McNiven at Miln of Drummond and Alexander McNiven at Dalchathick Uncles to and as being authorised to give up Inventary for Charles, Alison, Margaret, Anna and Elizabeth McNivens lawful children and executors dative to said defunctS Sum of Inventary 400 merks due to defunct by James [copy smudged here] writer in Muthill cautioner Confirmed 11 December 1729.

Umquhile Patrick McNiven in Dalclathick, parish of Comrie Given up by John McNiven in Dalness, the defunct’s son and only executor Debt due to the defunct by James Lord Drummond and Stobhall £300 merks scots Donald McNiven at Miln of Drummond cautioner Confirmed 6 February 1729.

Umquhile Patrick McNiven in Dalclathick, parish of Comrie Given up by John McNiven in Dalness, the defunct’s son and only executor Debt due to the defunct by James Lord Drummond and Stobhall £300 merks scots Donald McNiven at Miln of Drummond cautioner Confirmed 6 February 1729.

Umquhile Elizabeth Governour relict of the deceased Donald McNiven in Balloch in the parish of Muthill Given up by Alexander Roy McNiven in Dalchlathick as Tutor to Patrick, John, Charles, and Mary McNivens children and executors dative decerned to the defunct In the Inventary following all mentioned Patrick Governour son to John Governour in Balloch, which Patrick is brother german to the said umquhile Elizabeth Governour. John McNiven at Miln of Mack is cautioner Confirmed 20 October 1748.

The 10 January 1664, "James McNivein, indweller in Kirktoun of Mukcairne, appears as attorney for Sir Hugh Campbell, and Colin Campbell, bother german of John Campbell in Kirktoun of Mukcairne, for the Bishop of the Isles."

28 April 1574. "Item gud Mald N’ayn Vay in Glenlyon spous til the Clerk M’Nevin zirdyt in Branwo the 28 day of Apryil the yer abowin vrittyn. God hawe mercy of hyr."

At Perth, 17 July 1638. Rolls of Able Men. Balloch and Finlarg, houses of the Laird of Glenurquhay. Names of his domestic servants with their weapons. Duncane Campbel, fear of Lagvinschach, Johne Campbell, James Campbell, Johne M’Nivaine, No weapons given.

Register of Baptisms in the Parish of Muthill James McNiven and Margaret Ogilbie of Blainror, had issue
Archibald McNiven, b 12 Nov 1696, baptised 15 Nov.
Patrick b 8 August 1700, " 12 Aug.
Alexander b 27 May 1703, " 1 June
Malcolm b 20 Dec 1706, " 29 Dec.
James b 6 Aug 1708, " 11 Aug.
Donald b 18 Aug 1711, " 21 Aug.
Thomas b 30 April 1716, " 4 May.

James Niven, lawful son of John Niven and Jean Gordon in Borland was born 14 November, baptised 17 November 1697.

John Gow and Elspet McNiven in Ballahargie, issue
Janet Gow, b 10 Jan 1701, baptised 14 Jan.
John b 21 May 1703, " 23 May
Isobel b 22 July 1706, " 25 July
Donald b in Tombain 28 Sept 1708, baptised 30 Sept.

Janet McNiven lawful daughter of Patrick McNiven and Catherine McNiven in Schmoi, parish of Comrie, born 28 September, baptised 2 Oct 1701. 17 February 1715 (sic) Malcom son to Patrick McNiven and Catherine McNiven in Achinner born 13 February.

12 June 1720 Mary daughter to Patrick McNiven and Catherine McNiven in Dalclathrik, parish of Comrie, born 10 June (sic).

17 December 1710. Jean daughter to Malcolm McNiven and Margaret McNiven in Blainror born 10 December.

15 March 1713. Mary daughter to Malcolm McNiven and Margaret McNiven in Blainror born 10 March.

5 October 1715. William son to Malcom McNiven and Margert McNiven in Blainror born 2 October.

Patrick McNiven and Mary Robin in Cultiheldech, had issue
William McNiven, b 24 Dec 1713 baptised 27 Dec.
George b 2 April 1715, " 2 April
John b 3 March 1718, " 7 March in Strageith
Joseph b 22 Nov 1719, " 23 Nov " "
James b 29 Oct 1722, " 1 Nov " "
Donald b 11 Nov 1725, " 12 Nov " "
Saray b 23 May 1728, " 24 May " "
Patrick b 12 Jan 1730, " 13 Jan " "

6 December 1719. Helin daughter to John McNiven and Beatrix Ogilbie in Dalclathick born 1 December.

Duncan McNiven and Catherin Philp in Blainror, issue
James McNiven, b 4th baptised 6 January 1724
John " b 3 and " 7 November 1725
Alexander b 3 and " 8 December 1727
Jean McNiven b 7 and " 8 March 1730 (written in margin)
Patrick McNiven, b 28 March, baptised 6 April 1732.
25 August 1728. James son to John McNiven and Janet Forbes in Blainror born 20 August.

30 January 1732. Duncan son to John McNiven and Janet Ferguson in Blainror born 27 January.

Duncan McNiven and Alison Bryce in Blainror, issue
Isobel McNiven, b 10 and baptised 14 October 1739.
John b 10 " 15 September 1742
James b 22 March " 26 March 1745
Catherin b 21 October " 23 October 1749

Joseph McNiven and Elspet Bayne in Strageth, issue
Mary McNiven, b 19 baptised 21 July 1743

Joseph McNiven and Janet Bayne in Strageth, issue
Joseph McNiven, b 23 baptised 26 January 1751
John b 1 " 3 May 1754
Peter b 20 " 21 May 1757
Elizabeth b --- baptised 22 Feb 1761
James b 15 " 24 October 1762

26 August 1744. John son of Alexander McNiven and Margaret McNiven in Blenror born 21 August.

Alexander McNiven and Christian McFaren in Mailermore, Comrie parish issue;
Margaret McNiven, b 7 baptised 9 October 1749
Janet McNiven, b 12 " 15 December (year not given)

Alexander McNiven and Christian McNicol in Blenroar, issue
Archibald McNiven, b 7 baptised 8 April 1757
Colin baptised 8 April 1757
Duncan baptised 5 January 1760

Alexander McNiven and Catherine McLean in Blenroar, issue
Duncan McNiven, b 19 baptised 25 May 1766
Elizabeth b 29 April baptised 2 May 1768 (Alexander Andee McNiven)
William b 3 baptised 13 April 1770
Mary b 3 " 12 April 1772
Janet b 28 April baptised 7 May 1777 in Craigneich
James baptised 20 June 1779 in Craigneich

11 June 1777. James Groene son of William Niving and Margaret Pitkeathly in Kippon parish of Dunning born 9 June.

In the Register of Marriages at Perth the name appears as Neving, thus,
24 August 1561. Jonh Neving and Janet Justice
28 December 1561. Gilbert Wilson and Elspeth Neving
14 July 1566. John Neving and Agnes Bowar
4 January 1567. Alezander Neving and Margaret Methven

N.B. From some Memo. Of Contracts at the end of the Register it appears that James Richardson and Marjorie Neving were contracted for marriage 2 August 1568, James having not yet attained his perfect age, his father John, gave his consent to the Banns being published.

18 February 1570. Thomas Ferguson and Helen Neving
5 February 1576. Robert Neving and Bessie Sym
12 February 1576. Patrick Neving and Janet Pitlandy

And in this extract from the Kirksession Register of Perth,
Insult to Lady Monzie
25 April 1586 – Whilk day William Neving, webster (weaver) being examined and inquired if it was of verity the slander of Marion Rollock on the Lady Monzie, deponed as follows – that the Lady Monzie and he being coming through the water-gate, Marion Rollock, standing on her own stair, said the the Lady, "Mistress, give me my wort-dish again:" and the Lady said – "If I have your wort-dish, come to my house and ken it" and Marion replied – "perchance ye will cut my tail from me above the tail as ye have done to others."

At Dunblane, Duncan Nevin was Reader and Schoolmaster from 1576 to 1593. He was presented to Presbytery by James VI before the 31 May and ordained 17 October 1593; continued to 26 August 1607.

"6 March 1581. Letters at the instance of Mr. Duncan Nevin Schoolmaster of the City of Dunblane Against the Bishop & feuars thereof, for non payment of a Pension of £20."

"10 February 1591. Gift of £40 yearly to Mr. Duncan Nveing master fo the Grammar School of Dunbane during his continuance in that office."

"11 June 1591. Tack to Mr. Duncan Neivene shcoolmaster of Dunblane, Agnes Sinclair his spouse (dau of John Sinclair, Commissaire of Dunblane) and James Neivene their son, for 19 years of the teind of the towns and lands of Weter Lanrik, Cobiltoun Mylton of Camis &c"

General Inquisitions – 30 October 1620. Jeanna Neven, Margaretta Neven and Anna Neven, heiress portioners of John Sinclair olim Commissaire Dunblane avi ex perte matris. The only instances I have found in Scotland of the use of the name Nevinson are these:

"John Reide, son and heir to the late John Nevinson, burgess of Inverness, for the sum of 40s lent by Master Thomas Gollan, burgess of said burgh, gives him pledge a rood of his land with the buildings thereupon built, lying in said burgh, and in the gate of Dymisdaile on the east side thereof, betwixt the land of the late Robert Hog to the south on the one part, and the land of Andrew Waus to the north on the other part: To be held &c . . .

In witness of which, for why I had no proper seal present, the seal of an hounourable man, Alexander Waus, bailie, who by me gave sasine of wadsetting of the said land, as the manner is, to the said Thomas, with instance I have procured, and to these presents have caused to be hung at the said burgh the 20 day of January 1454: Witnesses – the venerable and discreet men Sir Isaac of Moray, John Gray skinner, Finlay Johnson, and Andrew Mylue, with other sundry thereto called and specially prayed." And among the Gordon Papers: "Maickleanes Band of Manrent, 1536. Hector Mclean of Douart, Novynne Makkynon of Stravodil et al to Lord George Earl of Huntlie. Witness – Sir Anguss Novynesone persone of Tillydak. Signed Hector Maklayne, Nowyne Makenone of Stravdill, vitht my hand at the pen."

And on the banishment rolls of 5 May 1684, from Dumfies, Alexander Nivinson, in Kirkbog.



GENEALOGICAL
DAVID MACNIVEN (of the MacNaughtan Family) married Mary, fourth daughter of Hugh and Beatrix Campbell (married Feb or March 1674). Hugh Campbell of Lix, Mary’s father, was son and heir of Archibald of Lix (d ante 1691) who married (1650) Jean, daughter of Patrick Campbell of Barcaldine. John Campbell, Hugh’s grandfather, married, 10 July 1634, Beatrix Shaw daughter of Alexander Shaw of Cambusmoir.
Mary’s grandmother, Janet Buchanan, was a daughter of Robert Buchanan of Lenny by Margaret Campbell, fifth child of Sir John Campbell, first Earl of Loudon (created 12 May 1633) and Margaret Campbell Baroness of Loudon in her own right. Sir John was descended from Sir Colin Capvell of Lochow who was killed at String of Lorne, 1296, where a cairn marks the spot, and was buried at Kilchrinnan, Lochawe, in the Church of St Peter the Deacon.

Mary’s maternal grandfather, Captain Archibald Campbell of Torrie, her father, Hugh Campbell of Lix, as well as her great grandmother Margaret mentioned above, all trace direct to the common ancestor, Sir Colin Campbell of Lochow, killed in 1296.

David MacNiven and Mary Campbell had issue, a daughter Beatrix.

Duncan, third son of John MacGregor, XX Chief of Clan Gregor, and his wife Catherine Campbell (eldest daughter of Hugh of Lix and sister of Mary who married David Macniven), married Beatrix Macniven. Beatrix was therefore first cousin to her husband Duncan MacGregor.

Duncan MacGregor became Chief of the Clan on the death of his elder brothers, the 21st generation of the chieftainship of the Clan. He was out in the ’45 and was severely wounded at Prestonpans (11 wounds), his heel was shot away leaving him permanently lame. He had been brought up to the law in Edinburgh and continued to make it his profession. Hedied in February 1787.

Duncan MacGregor and Beatrix Macniven had issue:
1. John, an officer in the R.N. Commodore Bombay Marine. Received the thanks of Sir Eyre Coote for his services on the Coromandel Coast. He died at Batavia 23 March 1784. He left everything to his sister’s son, John Paul, with the request that he take the name MacGregor.
2. Drummond Mary, married (1) ---------- Paul, whose family name had been McPhail by whom she had a son, Lieut Col John Paul (MacGregor) name assumed according to uncle’s will. He was Deputy Auditor General of the Bengal Army. She married (2) 1786, John MacGregor (b 1765) Captain Royal Clan Alpine Fencibles – later Cashier Commercial Bank of Edinburgh. By this marriage she had, Generaly Sir Duncan MacGregor K.C.B., Alexander, James, Mary, and Felicite. General John Paul MacGregor her son by the first marriage, married and had issue: General Sir George Hall MacGregor, distinguished in the first Afghan war, Indian Mutiny &c. and was knighted 25 June 1861. General Sir Duncan MacGregor K.C.B. was knighted 26 Dec 1848; Inspector General Constabulary Force in Ireland. He married youngest daughter of William Dick, Bart. of Prestonfield, near Edinburgh, and had: John MacGregor (1825-1892) a philanthropist and traveller, b 24 Jan 1825. When a baby outward bound with his parents on the Kent, and East Indiaman, the ship took fire in the Bay of Biscay. An account of this voyage was published in 1825 and reprinted in 1880. He was author of many books of travel and adventure, among them "A Thousand Miles in the Rob Roy Canoe". (account of his life in D.N.B.)

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David Erskine as Commendator of Dryburgh and Inchmahome granted, 4 Mar. 1586, a lease of the teinds of Wester Lanark to Mr. Duncan Neven, schoolmaster at Dunblane, for the teaching of the youth. (authenticated copy by the Lessee in 1617 in possession of the Earl of Mar). Vol I. p 545 Red Book of Menteith. Fraser. Edinburgh, 1888.

William Niven, mineralogist. Born Bellshill, Lanarkshire, 6 October 1850. Son of William and Sarah (Brown) Niven. Came to the United States in 1879, married 26 January 1886, Nellie Blanche Purcell, of St Louis, MO. He writes to Franklin T. Nevin:

"My father’s parents were from Inverness, and his grandfather, William Niven, was a petty officer on the Flagship at Traflagar and was killed in the naval engagement." "The Antiquity of Man in the Valley of Mexico" by Ing. George E. Hyde, Del Instituto Geologico. Mexico 1922. is dedicated to William Niven Esq. The Dedication reads in part: For the facilities that he has given us in our work, placing at our disposal, without reserve, his magnificient and valuable collection and the complete control of his Excavations. We have pleasure in designating as a mark of esteem and as a tribute to his untiring application to Archaeological Exploration the denomination "Mongoloide", a name we have given to one of the layers in the Geological – archaeological section. With this name we believe has been justly added one definite step towards the origin of many of the racial tribes of Mexico. 27 December

Frederick Niven, novellist, author of "Justice of the Peace" &c

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~nivenfamily/genealogy/genealogica_chapter8.html