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Genealogy of The Clan Gregor - 65 - Descendants of Duncan MacGregor

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Alexander b.~1700
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Duncan [1]
b.29/5/1731 Braemar
m. 7/11/1772 to Grissel Gardiner at Tynemouth
Assuming that Grissel was a Scot there are two possibilities in the OPR
first: Grissel Gairden born 15/6/1746 in Auldearn to Alex Gairden and Isobel MacBeth
second: Grissel Gardiner born 21/8/1747 in Cargill to Peter Gardiner (no spouse mentioned)
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baptisms at Robinson Lane, NC Chapel, Monkwearmouth

Alexander
b.29/2/1776 d.30/11/1857
Bailiff to Lord Westminster at Eaton Hall
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unm. Betty Shepherd
~1798 Kendal|
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William = Hannah Hughes
m.24/8/1820 Henllan
b.14/10/1798 d. 14/6/1864
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William Shepherd
b.7/2/1825 d. 24/11/1897
"grandson 1851"
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m. 13/1/1803 Ellen Morton (~1782-17/8/1819) - Lower Peover, Cheshire
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Mary
b.2/1/1804
d.10/8/1885
unm.
Grace
b.1/1/1805
d.15/2/1870
m.Edwards
Jane-Cathn.
b.1808
d.25/3/1861
unm.
Alexander
b.10/5/1810
d.24/1/1889
m. Cath Wilson
1847
Ellen
b.31/12/1811
d.17/3/1852
m.Ridgway
Robert
b.23/6/1813
d.23/12/1864
married.
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Grace
b.1846
m.Plowman John Paine
1870
John
b.13/5/1816
d.13/3/1891
m.Helen Miller
3/2/1846
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descendants of John MRCS
Emma
b.~1819
d.18/8/1847
Grissel
b.19/7/1780

[1] For many years I have been searching for the ancestry of Duncan who baptised a son Alexander in 1776. I did not think to check Catholic baptisms!
Recent DNA results have indicated a possible relationship with the line of Evan Forbes MacGregor, who probably descends from Alexander, born around 1695-1700.
Alexander's first marriage around 1720 included sons, Alexander in 1722, John in 1725, possibly George in 1729, Duncan in 1731.and James in 1734

There is a Duncan & Alexander, twins, baptized in 1747 by Gregory and Cristine Forbes. I tried to fit to Gregory, baptised 6/4/1724, but baptisms by Gregory were recorded from 1735. Rather than postulate two Gregory's I used the Gregory baptised by Charles in 1713. Charles therefore had to be a brother or cousin of some degree to Alexander (b.~1675) not his son.
Gregory's children were Donald, 7/12/1735; John 17/9/1743; Gregory 7/10/1744, and twins Duncan & Alexander 10/1/1747 and finally Christian - 25/4/1749

Alexander (~1700) and his brothers John & Duncan were among the 24 MacGregors led by the Laird of Inverenzie at Culloden. Only six returned home. Alexander then fled to Germany and was ancestral to the Coleman family. John died at Culloden while Duncan was probably the "Duncan in Tarland" who was captured and transported.
Whether or not Gregory was at Culloden is not known.

The 1747 and 1749 baptisms by Gregory record Cristine Fraser as the mother. The earlier baptisms by Gregory are without a named wife.
Richard McGregor, referring to a hand-written genealogy of George in GD50, suggested that Alexander (b~1700) married more than once and that Malcolm & Donald (1763 and 1754) were his sons by a later marriage. I cannot find evidence for these marriages, although the parish record is fragmentary. I believe it is more likely that Malcolm & Donald were the sons of Alexander (b.~1722), the first son of Alexander (b.~1700).

There are no records to prove this link between Gregory and Alexander, although there are a number of accounts of Alexander and his descendants. Alexander, for instance is mentioned in a 1704 list of known papists in Braemar as the 4-year son of Alexander of Glengairn. So although I cannot prove that Gregory was a first or second-cousin of Alexander, the DNA match suggests that they could have been.

This is Richard's comment: "However almost certainly Kath (Captain Charles) line split off first and depending on probability it could be anything from 150-300 years before the split of the other two. Evan and Neil Malcolm are quite close - compared with them to Kath there is only one difference common to Neil and Kath and that is an unreliable marker for mutations so I’ve virtually discounted it. On the other hand Evan and Neil share the SAME mutations on three occasions and then Neil has three other mutations which are more likely unique to him. I went back to Frank’s results such as we have and that showed 1 mutation that was unique to Neil and one that Frank and Neil shared - the third mutation was not available in Frank’s.
My conclusion is these are all Roro, Kath's line split off first from the common post S690 ancestor - quite possibly as early as 1460 but probably by 1560, Neil’s (and Frank) split off next but much later and separated from each other maybe as near as two or three generations (we just can’t tell if it’s 1 or 2 mutations difference in 111 STR)"

Reading again Richard's comments, it made me wonder if Duncan, (b.1747 - the son of Gregory and grandson of Charles) might be too early a split. You may note that Alexander (b.1/2/1722) had a brother Duncan (b.29/5/1731) Now, I had assumed that a man marrying in 1772 was likely to have been born in the 1740s. Hence Duncan (b.10/1/1747) would have been 25 in 1772. However, Duncan (b.1731) would be 41. His bride, Grissel Gairden, is likely to have been born in 1746, so a 41-year old marrying a 26 year old woman would not be exceptional. Duncan (1731) is 7 generations to Evan Forbes. Going back to a father of Charles would be a further 3 generations.

Following this discussion of the closeness of the DNA, I decided that it was more likely that Neil Malcolm descended from Duncan, baptised in 1731, so that the difference would be 7 generations, rather than a suggested cousin or second cousin of Alexander (b.~1700) which could be 10 generations.